July 2, 1999
Visit the Happy Hacker site at http://www.happyhacker.org
URL of the day: http://www.cit.ac.nz/smac/cprogram/
Online tutorials on=20
how to program in C!
Table of Contents
* Def Con adventure
* Another hacker mentor mail list
* Computer hardware mail list
* Flame war on Packetstorm!
*** Def Con Adventure
Are you going to the Def Con hackers' convention July
9-11? Want to meet me
(Happy Hacker Clown Princess Carolyn Meinel) there?
I plan to enter a Linux
box in the Bastard Operator from Hell competition.
So, am I totally lame? =
will I surprise a few people by winning? Oh, yes, how
come you never see=
mirrors of hacks of the Happy Hacker website? Maybe
we know something about
I will be staying in the Hard Rock hotel across the street
from Def Con. I
will be meeting people at my hotel room there Saturday between
6PM and 8PM.=
Or, look for me at the wargame. To make you happy,
my entry will have a=
account with a silly password. Honest, it will be really
Happy hacking! Def Con info is at http://defcon.org.
*** Hacker Mentor mail list
From: R a v e N <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I saw the posting about FooMentor, the new newbies mailing
list. I have
a similar list myself, and I was wondering if you could tell
about it in the next "Inside Happy Hacker" mailing
list. It's good for
both newbies and gurus, since we discuss both Windows hacking
hacking (from how to install different distros of Unix to
Kernel ;)... ).
R a v e N
*** Computer Hardware Mail List
Sender: "Tony Cheetham" <email@example.com>
Dear newbies/adepts alike, I am starting up a mailing
list for hardware
problems, now I know what your thinking, "OMyGod not
another one", but this=
is different. I have enlisted the help of a group of
people whom I consider=
be hardware experts who all have there all little niches,
be able to answer any problem with installation, configuration
and drivers. =
far on the list we have 2 programmers who design drivers
for a well known=
card supplier, but are known to me for there ability to write
obscure hardware. 4 web technicians from ZEN internet
(the company I work=
who are respectively Linux, Windows, Dos, and NT users, and
the 3 hardware
technicians from Zen, 2 whom deal with our servers (routers,
and ISDN), and 1 who deals with client side installations,
(NT, windows and
If you are interested in joining please E-Mail SubscribeHW@zen.co.uk
I can be contacted at firstname.lastname@example.org
Please visit ZEN's website cuz there sponsoring this list
*** Flame War on Packetstorm!
Special flame war section! Yes, I know lots of people
don't care for flames
(angry personal attacks), so please just delete this if you
don't want to=
for a news
story of a controversy now raging through the hacker world.
It began when
Harvard University shut down a Web site they had briefly
hosted for Ken
Williams (AKA Tattooman): Packetstorm. =20
Brief summary: Packetstorm was a web site mostly dedicated
information. However, it also had a section devoted to what
some people see=
personal attacks, threats, and obscene imagery. Harvard
after receiving an email complaint from John Vranesevich.
You can read
Vranesevich's side of the story at
Ken Williams' side is=
I saw the portion of Packetstorm that John Vranesevich
believed threatened a
family member. What I recall is a photo and address
of a child, along with
what I regard as deranged and obscene incitements against
Williams argues that he meant it as satire.
Even if Williams did intend it as intimidation, perhaps
the right to=
campaign of intimidation against a child should be protected
under the First
Amendment. Otherwise we get into the issue of people's right
whatever they choose to advocate.=20
However, in my opinion, Williams' freedom of speech should
not extend to any
"right" to make Harvard pay for disseminating threats
against a child.
Here is the official Harvard statement on this matter:
* S T A T E M E N T *
As a service to the Internet community, Harvard agreed
to host a
Packet Storm Security Website for security-related materials
Harvard's knowledge, unrelated content was put on the Harvard
sexually-related material and personal attacks on an individual
with the University. A Harvard administrative site
focused on security=
is not the forum for this type of material. We are returning
the content on=
site and hope that Packet Storm will make its security tools
its own Website.
Office of News
and Public Affairs
Director, Harvard News Office
1350 Massachusetts Ave., Rm. 1060
Cambridge, MA 02138
Now, on to the flames, pro and con. I've removed
most email addresses=
I don't want to perpetuate the flame war by having people
get flame email or
outright threats from readers of this material. Also,
I do NOT want anyone
harassing supporters of Ken Williams thinking they will win
my favor by=
so. I despise intimidation of any sort, especially
by people who think they
are helping me. -- Carolyn Meinel
I have been supporting you and The Happy Hacker for 14 months,
to devote my time and resources to mirroring your web site,
and maintaining archives of the G2MHH and the HHD. I was
even willing to=
to the press and support your cause when you asked for my
help. But now I=
I can no longer aid you, offer you my support or be involved
in anyway with=
This is because of your connections with AntiOnline, and
Ken Williams and Packet Storm Security. I am in the process
of creating a=
indexing lots of text files and the like, so I am aware of
the time and=
it takes. Ken Williams has lost all his work and the great
number of hours=
has devoted to his site have been irretrievably lost. Aside
from Ken's loss,
the loss of Packet Storm Security will be greatly felt by
I am really quite shocked, upset and horrified by these events.
content the offending material had, there is NO excuse for
the whole site to=
lost for ever. I doubt you can appreciate the loss Ken Williams
because unlike you, he has not profited off of his service
to the public.
With this new light I greatly urge you to reconsider your
and AntiOnline. I now understand what may have made Keydet89
give up his=
as editor of the HHD.
As you do that remember that while I no longer support
you, may actively=
what you say and will certainly rm any local copies of any
of your work I=
I will *NOT* support or encourage any actions that prevent
you from saying=
you want. No matter what you write about me.
[Packetstorm destroyed forever? A Harvard spokesman
claims they did not
destroy Williams' archives. In any case, any computer
should remember to always keep a back up OFF SITE.
Heck, I even keep a copy=
my more valuable information on an ftp server in New York
City. -- CM]
Look what your little buddy's done now, Carolyn.
He couldn't handle=
himself, so he got Harvard to drop PacketStorm all together.
If something has been posted that is really libelous,
like JP says, he could
just file a suit against Ken, and leave it at that.
But no...he's got to=
Harvard, b/c he knows what the computer and Internet- illiterate
General Counsel's office will do when they hear words like
I'm not even going to speculate that Ken's claims of loosing
7 wks of class
work, a custom IDS, and all his research data are 100% true.
What I am=
is that the PacketStorm site has been far more valuable in
any given week=
JP's site has been the entire time it's been up. =20
Why hasn't JP sued Brian Martin and his Attrition site?
[According to what Vranesevich says is his email to Harvard,
he did not
threaten to sue them. -- CM]
Its a shame what is happening. Oh how I long for the days
of the BBS's and
teleneting. There seemed to be a lot more enjoyment and certainly
a lot less
people whose desires are to make decisions for others or
simply a save the
world crusade. Life is a funny place cause generally when
one really digs=
the lives of these so called crusaders its a scary place
to go. To keep this=
simple form with gross generalizations; why is it that the
is one who usually has the most troubled life and goes to
great length to=
inner deceits they actually parallel the mental profile of
a person who is
determined to hack solely to reap severe destruction. Both
problems. In closing its a shame that you and others like
you have gotten
caught up in the problems of others. For what its worth I
hope you do not=
the anguish of a certain few wear you down where you say
"to hell with it".
There are a lot of people who enjoy your work, they find
it light and a form=
entertainment; an escape from the work week. Some relax to
TV, movies others
enjoy the idea of a different way to play with their PC.
Its all really that
simple and simple it should of been kept. Good luck; stay
This will be all over the place tomorrow. Here is your
You name them, and they are mad at JP. Hackers and professionals
I have tried to warn you in the past about JP, but this
is my last time. He
stands against everything you say you are for, and if this
doesn't prove it,=
don't know what can. He is the most negative force on the
net, and is doing=
more damage then any gang of kode kiddies hacking web pages
From: Brad Davis <email@example.com>
Packetstorm IS DOWN.. go to
left a nice message trying to get people to feel sorry for
him. The guy and=
friends are trying to ruin AntiOnline and JP and this guy
tries to make it=
like he has done nothing wrong?? We never called Harvard
NOR did we threaten
with a lawsuit. Has JP sent you the copy of the message?
OH BTW, you are=
for this too. heh, I want to apologize for your name
being brought into=
Brad Davis <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Staff / Operations Coordinator
[If you wonder why many people are blaming me for Harvard's
decision on the
Packetstorm site, it is because they have been demanding
that I stop=
Antionline's listserv and POP server for handling Happy Hacker
and conquer. I'm not going to fall for that. -- CM]
I've read a few things which implicated you with JP.
So far I haven't=
taken a side in this whole mess and I'm not quite sure who
to believe. I=
hoping you'd post something to your site which would express
your opinion on
JP's recent involvement with packetstorm. Thanks.
[The following email was addressed both to Vranesevich and
me -- CM]
I don't particularly dig writing this letter, but as part
of a very=
group of individuals performing some fairly important security
work for the
Federal government (among others), I wanted to address an
issue in a way=
wasn't a public flame, or a proactive public discredit to
either of you.=
is a personal appeal to your senses and in no way represents
Technologies corporate opinions.
When you're insecure, and really fear what others have
to say, you make rash
decisions that in the end, can hurt a group of people. It's
Believe in your ideals, spout them if you must be proactive
in front of your
following, but acting with such blatant hypocrisy is the
act of a 4 year=
You are hurting a community.
I get information from several sources. The source's opinions
me nothing to=
their information is valuable (when accurate). You take the
bad with the=
That's what adults do. You don't flame in return. You don't
don't backpedal, leaving a glistening slug trail of obvious
you don't hurt the community you're working within.
A portion of the community is very critical of your efforts
because of the=
you both choose to react to criticism With dubious,
allegations that provide little proof of your innocence.
the only people guilty of that. It's frustrating discerning
Congratulations on ruining an Mr. Williams education,
making yourselves the
target of a every angst-ridden technophile's digital justice,
media misconceptions about some very talented people's intentions,
importantly....acting like the whining 20 year old kid, and
you're both accused of being by your many adversaries. Instead
against the allegations, ignore them an drive on. You didn't
get to where=
are by being stupid. Use the smarts for a common good, please.
You both know
you're not whiny kids, rubes, or remotely incapable.
I understand the harsh reactions at the mere mention of
your names, though I
don't approve of most of them. When I see flaming at your
names, I know it's
wrong. However, deep down I get the same joy I got
back in grade school=
beating the living shit out of an outspoken bully, who was
fond of acting=
expert of things he knew only moderately well. I know...
This bothers me, I don't dig feeling that way about people
I only know from
exposure to my particular occupational hazard. It was far
quieter 10 years=
Hell, five years ago.
Talent is rare. You don't have to like it's sources, but
it's criminal to=
To qualify this message, it isn't my intention to start
a flame war, and if=
observations over the past couple of years drew a completely
conclusion, my sincere apologies to the both of you.
It is also NOT my purpose to add textual information to
any web sites. This=
for my protection.
Good luck in the future.
I thought the story was a good example of the technological
discussed at the conference. I never did see a good
explanation from any of
this site's defenders of why any of this stuff was there
in the first place.=
newspaper, for example, could not publish this stuff without
libel and defamation laws.
[The above was sent by a reporter friend -- CM]
Until now, I found your skirmishes with attrition to be
mildly amusing. =
with the destruction of the packetstorm site, I feel that
you have really
become a liability to the security field. The thought
that someone might
associate us because you run a security-related site leaves
me with a=
feeling of shame.
I agree with you 100% that threatening a child on a publicly
not a commendable act. I was unaware that a document
of that nature was
residing within the subtree of his site's root directory.
If the document
resided anywhere else (not available to the general public)
then I don't=
it should be tossed like a bone to a hungry dog.
On Tuesday, a lady going to church got her head stoved
in front of her two
children. I believe they were 2 and 4. She died last night.
I want her
attackers to suffer very slowly, for a very long time.
Was there a link anywhere on the PacketStorm main site
to these threatening
[Yes, the offending material was linked from a "JP"
topic on one of the main
web pages -- the archive page. -- CM]
Ken Williams <email@example.com>
i had HDD and tape backups of the site, updated daily,
and even had offsite
backups of everything made weekly. unfortunately, with
8+ GB of data, i did
not have the bandwidth or resources to make backups myself
at home. Harvard
has the HDD, tape and offsite backups. there are/were
a total of at least 4
different complete sets of backups of the site, that were
up to date. even
though Harvard is in possession of any/all remaining backups,
the 4 backup redundancy in which backups were kept in 4 different
My suggestion to you, CM, is to keep your mouth shut when
you don't know
what you're talking about and don't have any information
at all to base
your insults on. additionally, your personal attacks
on my character are
without foundation - you don't know anything about me - for
you to attempt=
judge me based on your lack of information is absurd.
please let us all=
when/if you ever make it back from "the dark side of
[I saw Ken's "jp" directory, and stand by my
evaluation that any reasonable
person should consider it obscene and threatening to the
child it targeted.=
To subscribe to the Happy Hacker Digest, email firstname.lastname@example.org
with the message "subscribe happyhacker."
Unsubscribe with message
This is a list devoted to *legal* hacking! If you plan
to use any
information in this Digest or at our Web site to commit crime,
Foo on you! Don't email us bragging about any crimes you
committed. We mean it.
For Unix questions, contact email@example.com.
Happy Hacker staff: Unix editor, <firstname.lastname@example.org>;
Windows editor, <email@example.com>; Hacker Wargame
Director, Vincent Larsen <firstname.lastname@example.org>;
Clown Princess: Carolyn Meinel <>
Happy Hacker is a 501 (c) (3) tax deductible organization
in the United States operating under Shepherd's Fold Ministries.